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PostSubject: 1234567890   2014-04-26, 07:39

Yeah... so i go sleeping for a few hours, and suddenly... BLAM! 500 new notifications...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-26, 07:59

And Arken, i hope that that rethinking your career choices thing yesterday really wasnt serious.... you dont change your life decisions based on an internet argument, and go to school to learn what you dont know, not to get the degree because you know everything.
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-26, 17:44

OOC I'd use this
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-26, 18:43

OOC: ...also,.... apparently i remembered the exact structure of ME weapons inaccurately... apparently, the barrels are almost the size of a finger, according to screenshots.... which makes no sense whatsoever, since the ammo is "the size of a sand grain"... but it means that you could use flechettes instead of pellets...
also, apparently, the gun is more complex than a simple coilgun or anything... it effectively changes the mass of the projectile while launching it.... again, this means that with a precise enough mechanism, you can actually use flechettes, since they wont be weighing down the system too much......
After brief research in ME1, i concluded that the actual speed of the projectiles is around 5-5.5 machs. all sources agree that weapons use a block of dense metal as ammo source from which an ammo te sire of a grain of sand is shaved off. i would say that the 0.2 grams of "real" ammo weight is still realistic, however, the weapon reduces that weight... by how much... no idea... i will calculate with 10%, since that seems even less of a change than it should be if i had a say in the mass reductors design... that means that we have an effective impact force of nearly 300 Kilojoules at point blank range... an object of such insignificant mass, going at such ridiculous speed in the atmosphere will get slowed down significantly... i dont actually know how to calculate with air resistance, but i will say it halves every 150 meters... just a guess... that means that your avarage impact will have about 73 KJs of impact force... modern ammo is about 2KJs... im pretty sure that i miscalculated something yesterday, for which, and the consequent part of the argument, i ask forgiveness for...
However, this also means that you have 36 modern bullets impacting on a surface area the size of a sand-grain at once... honestly, i dont know how to calculate the force/area from the impact energy, but im pretty sure we can all imagine that armor aint worth a damn...
.....further research shows that the ammo was specifically designed to flatten on impact to prevent the going clean through thing that i mentioned... even so, thats a huge amount of force....
sorry arken, but dont expect anything but the heaviest armor to protect you from sustained ME weapon fire... this is further proven by the fact that ive started replaying ME1 and even the basic weapons can punch through my N7 and better armor and kill me in an avarage of 5ish shots on normal difficuilty, plus the books(that are actually so canon that you can buy them in ME2 if i recall correctly)...
also, im pretty sure that if you tried firing a weapon of such muzzle energy, it would tear your arm off... i will assume that theres compensators in armor to prevent that... (the famous Barett .50 cal has about 18KJs, and its rather uncomfortable to use it even with all the compennsation built into it...)
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-26, 22:16

OOC: Dear God, Nazamroth...I was not expecting this to be a product of our argument....Um...wow. I'm genuinely impressed you went through that trouble. Anyway...

1) I knew flechettes would be viable! Also, apparently I'm not allowed to post links for seven days since I'm still considered a "new member" so just go to dictionarydotcom (clearly, replace the "dot" with "." XD) and you'll find the definition of "flechette".

So...one of those things hitting you at Mach 5 to Mach 5.5 (as your research indicated, and again, my saying that they fired things at mach 1 was a bit of a joke since I genuinely didn't know and the weapons were just...off to me, your research greatly clarifies things) would suck worse than a pellet hitting you at those speeds, especially since the flechette would cause severe internal bleeding and other severe internal injuries as well as punching through your armor since rounds/shrapnel likes these are meant to penetrate at high velocity and I'd rather not been on the receiving end of a hypersonic (that's another terminology for Mach 5 apparently) fletchette. As for the recoil and muzzle velocity....in ME you don't have to be wearing armor to use those weapons (we see this several times throughout the games) so this may either be a case of hand waving on Bioware's part or the weapons have recoil dampeners (or something else to deal with all that energy that's being put on the user, for the sake of the ME RP we'll say it's the latter).

2) If the pellets have an impact force of 73 KJs then...yeah, I thought it was unlikely for ME weapons to only be as powerful as modern day weapons but this clarifies things as well. Also, I'd say that the fact that the pellets flatten on impact so that they don't go straight through shows that even the Turians are squeamish about causing severe injury with small arms but part of me wants to say that the pellets tumble in their target.....wait, wouldn't tumbling in the target preclude the "not going straight through" part? If that's the case then....hm...also, if a shot goes right through then there's nothing to slow the bleeding as it means the round didn't lodge in the wound (or it lodged somewhere else in the target body). Please correct me if I'm wrong about the pellets tumbling in their target. From what you said they shouldn't but we have ammunition today that flattens on impact with a target but will still tumble inside it along with other effects that cause further damage.

3) Armor wise...yeah, now this makes sense. Even today our best armors WILL stop a round but don't expect them to stop a barrage of rounds. Armor basically takes enough of the impact out of the shot so that you can survive and get to cover. Bioware handled the armor fairly realistically, but in my defense I always wore heavy armor so my Shepherd felt next to nothing when getting shot (that and his barriers were through the roof). As for the Barett...I think that's considered an anti-material rifle so by nature it'll have some nasty recoil.

Edit: Forgot point 4.

4) The weapons not being "typical" coilguns is because they apparently use Element Zero to encase the projectile in a mass effect field to reduce their mass so they can be accelerated to Mach 5 (as you concluded that is the standard velocity of most ME weapons). The field is supposed to wear off mid-flight (or some effect there of...and this is where things get weird and really confusing) and the projectile is supposed to be returned to it's original size. How this functions is never really explained (as far as I know) but it may explain the size of the barrels. I have a theory as to why this is but I want to see what you have to say about all this first.
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-27, 07:10

One, the pellet could tumble inside. Depends on conditions.
Two, my shepard has the heaviest armor too, most of the time, but now i tested with regular armor. If your barriers are down, and youre still getting shot, youre dead.
Three, i mentioned the .50cal because its a big gun, but still nothing compared to the 300KJs

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Four: oh, and i think ME weapons do make sonic booms. at least the sound of the shots sound like those
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-28, 04:40

OOC: im back, bitches!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-28, 14:18

so
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-29, 10:36

Ooc. ....why the hell do we have ads on the main page suddenly?!
....must have something to do with that google bot i saw the other day...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 07:06

Gorath, mah maaan!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 11:48

wat
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 12:29

OOC probably should've said something earlier about having arrived...
I am here...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 13:18

hloooo
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 13:59

OOC replying at 45 minute intervals ha!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 14:00

dea lawd
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 14:00

OOC. im baaaack ,bitches!
fae, wanna join the civvies plot if youre here anyway...?
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-04-30, 14:03

OOC doing some research then find this on the Howling Banshee page:
In 838.M41 in what became known as the Pyre of Kiliak's BaneImperial xenologists began to plunder buried Eldar artifacts on the Maiden World Kiliak, bringing about a devastating assault from the nearby craftworlds of Biel-Tan and Ulthwé. A sighting of thePhoenix Lord Jain Zar, accompanied by a hundred of her disciples, was confirmed before the entire Imperial force was slaughtered and incinerated, their ashes scattered to the winds.[4]
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 14:48

OOC:.. .... i have 3 assignments due by monday... plus two tests on tuesday...
brain: .....you know what would be cool? watching all the episodes of samurai jack!
me. ....fuck you brain.... /starts downloading samurai jack.../

also, the interesting thing will be that the two tests will be at the same time, a few kilometers apart.... should be an interesting day...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 15:17

OOC ah
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 15:27

OOC. goddammit! im running out ofexcuses why not to start actual work!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 15:28

OOC god dammit!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 15:31

OOC. at this rate, im actually gonna do stuff! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 15:53

OOC. for fuck sake! i cant start it! im just sitting over the opened document and sources, and doing nothing! i hate these fething assignments! and we get at least 4 every semester!
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 16:00

OOC. ...what....the.... fuck..... how the hell did i end up on a german pr0n site..... i was searching for a map of submarine cables....

progress so far:
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:06

Hai gor
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:10

sup
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:15

The picture above is still my entire progress... Not too suprising since i decided to procrastinate until tomorrow...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:16

I know the feeling
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:21

Welp... Time to pizza...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:23

....same actually
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:38

....what a coincidence.... Except that there are no coincidences... There is only the force...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:42

*the force stops*
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:47

....well great... Now there is nothing...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 18:56

exactly
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:05

Ooc. ....so..... Whats with everyone today? And wheres the berric you promised me?
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:06

OOC oh him. hungover.
and I would have been on but tabletop happened
got my first win with dark eldar
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:09

See? This is why you dont drink! Its baaaad maaaaayn... Its baaaaaad...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:12

he promises to be on tomorrow
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:15

anyway g2g BAI
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:16

I expect a 20000-28000 character essay including an apology and explanation, as well as citations, table of contents, and potatoes
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 19:16

Well... That didnt last long...
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PostSubject: Re: 1234567890   2014-05-03, 20:17

OOC aye
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